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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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He hasn't gained any new patreons this month & kept them.

At this time last year he had a huge momentum swing in his favour after the begging stunts. He could have ridden that wave of goodwill by appearing to take the high ground, not respond to any criticism and “churn” out an amazing amount of content with Tibor at his side. He chose another path.

He was openly gloating about being immune from exJW BS in a tweet that did not age well and had popped into the comments on a livestream bragging about how he was untouchable. It was even more brutal in the comment section on his own videos. Lloyd the Bully had shown his fat face yet again.

Then he went on holiday and the frequency of videos actually decreased despite having over 250 new pledges.

In hindsight that was his last opportunity to turn it all around. He had an open net and could have kicked the easy goal. Instead he showboated it, attempted some fancy trick and missed wide.

It wasn’t about “saving lives” or even improving the content. Per usual his huge ego got into the way and people started seeing right through what he was all about. Again. An entirely new generation has arrived and noticed how this guy is making a few videos a month, droning on about shrooms and his comedy routines and always taking time to go on holiday (and then making a video about what he did on holiday). That is not conducive to gaining the amount of financial support he desires. In fact it demonstrates that he isn’t putting what he is getting now to the best use.

Lloyd Evans never misses an opportunity to prove to everyone that all the critiques about him are by and large true. What an incredibly arrogant and selfish dolt.

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The snake of Genesis 3:1

by Halcon in

we've got some really knowledgeable members on here so i have a question for them and everybody.

what was the earliest adjective used to describe the snake of genesis 3:1?

currently one can read words in english translations like 'cunning' and 'crafty'....but in other languages you see words like 'wise' and astute...which convey a completely different idea.. i'm wondering what may have been the earliest and most accurate adjective known or used.

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Read the Book of Jubilees. Interesting read and it picks up some of the gaps Genesis laid blank. In Eden all animals had the ability to speak, and only lost that ability after the expulsion from Eden. It would seem to explain why Eve didn’t seem to think a serpent speaking to her was a big deal.

Not arguing for or against the validity of these accounts, but my question has always been why is Genesis considered canon and not Jubilees? Both make some fairly bold and fantastic claims.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

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"Channel consultants" huh?

Lloyd’s huge on bestowing significant sounding titles upon things that aren’t that significant. He’ll feign interest at whatever his “channel consultant” suggests, but he’s already decided upon what he is going to do and when. He’s also huge because he eats too much and doesn’t work, but that’s another story. OK - one more - A former collaborator of his ate with him at a buffet and described him as “eating like a pig”. Several plates, all full.

This is also a man who gave himself the title of Director and President of the JLE Translation Services when “Native English Proofreader” would have been more appropriate.

He's likely tapping some people for money directly.

Indeed he is, and he has made that fact clear, especially when he listed “PayPal - Most Urgent” on one of his begging tweets. He’s been advertising his PayPal credentials ever since he was on this forum begging for money to start JW Survey. There was also the unnamed donor who sent him a shit-tonne of money supposedly to keep the channel running before the begging stunts.

There have been some significant PayPal donors who have dropped, most notably Truth Seeker Atheist who made a video disowning him and his shenanigans. I know of a few more who have made monthly donations who have quietly stopped.

That he still retains some such donors should be of no surprise, though his main problem is he now has a reputation for not really needing the money as he once did, the loss of a major emotional manipulation for his fundraising - his wife and children, and not least his known penchant for spending what is donated on himself for luxury items.

Oh, and cheap hookers.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

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I had been wondering what the split was of patrons in the various levels, since that would determine how well he was doing financially.

$10 or more a month gets you on the outro screen on his videos. There have been 145 on there and it stays fairly constant so that pretty much represents his core base. That means 213 are at $1 or $5 per month.

At very least that’s $213 per month. Adding in the $5 donors might bump it up to $500 or so.

Then you have the 145 who are pledging $10 or more and it’s imposible to know the breakdown beyond that.

It’s a safe bet he makes enough to live semi-comfortably in Zagreb. I say that because I have serious doubts about him paying child support, and if he does, it’s a token amount and Dijana doesn’t seem like one to push him for more. This was a guy who was bitching about paying for his daughter’s haircut, so he’s been reduced to pinching pennies. He’s also one who is prone to conceal his income to the court and claim poverty.

Welp! Par for the course when you marry a low-life narcissistic scumbag like Jabba the Hutt. All the best for her if she is pursuing this in court, but knowing the personality of both individuals, this is an amicable arrangement between the two and he’s paying her (if anything) as little as he can get away with.

But he’s a good man! And a father! Keep those pledges coming in, he’s busy saving lives with three videos a month!

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

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$1 - This basic level of support allows you to stay updated with occasional member-only announcements updated you on my work.

Read the manipulative words in that:

“basic level”

”allows”

”occasional”

Carefully worded so that prospective Patrons know this is entry level and the very least you can do for him. It’s like being a Kingdom Hall publisher. You get the honour of calling yourself a ~~Jehovah’s Witness~~ Lloyd Evans Patron but you are meant to believe that you could and should be doing more.

I’d reckon he has too many of these casual $1 patrons for his taste and he’s eager to coerce and shame them into higher levels.

The Zooms were likely done away with because they were sparsely attended and he cancelled most of them anyhow.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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That was a great opportunity to count his blessings and get his shit in order, including helping his in-laws financially and contributing to a stable home life

Even JWs deserve their own privacy and to worship their God in peace. Not only were they housing a vocal apostate, he was operating a lucrative antiJW business out of their home! Imagine that… their ideals and beliefs, however misguided, were completely contradicted and ridiculed by their son-in-law whose avowed mission was to burn their religion to the ground. It’s like me moving into my granny’s home - the same woman who thinks I am demonised because I used to be into tarot cards.

Here’s the rub - Lloyd stated several times that the in-laws were dependent upon him. That’s bad enough, but did they know that Lloyd was largely funded by apostate exJWs who gave their money to him so he could take down their religion? Imagine this money trail - Joe Apostate from Kansas City pledges money to Lloyd Evans through Patreon and part of this goes to Dijana’s mother’s new dress to wear to the Kingdom Hall? Were the in-laws getting money from filtered down through Dijana from apostate donations - and somehow they ended up in the Worldwide Kingdom Hall fund? Wouldn’t that be the shit.

This is why Apostasy-for-hire is such a bad fucking idea.

Having gotten a new lease on life, he built a brand that provided him with more money than he should have known what to do with.

I don’t believe for a second that he ever thought of allowing his family an equal share in his gains. He made a killing off the earthquake relief fund that even a Scientology blogger wrote an article about - complete with a link to Jabba the Hutt’s PayPal. Lloyd even stated that what they had received was more than enough to purchase a home and had to ease off the request for donations. Of course it was largely funded off the wife and two kids - them playing a large part in the emotional blackmail of it all. But the indication was that they had enough.

Lloyd, never one to keep quiet about his plans, was immediately tweeting about buying a home in Istria and how he didn’t want his girls to grow up in a dump like Sisak. (Spoiler alert - they still are four years and many donations later)

But they never bought the home in Istria. Indeed in his second letter (we have to start quoting this as 2 Lloyd - New Testament style) he dangled the carrot of resuming the search for the home in Istria. Which means at some point they stopped looking- yet he had the money for it.

Why? It didn’t serve his immediate purpose to throw all his chips into that pot, especially when living a double life. I believe that him buying his own place in Zagreb was part of his open relationship plan. It was in his interest to keep her impoverished and having no future except through him.

This is why he was so arrogant about the entire thing. He held the purse strings and she was at his mercy.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

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uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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I often think about the pre-marriage Dijana and those three young pioneer need-greater's in competition for her hand.

So.. you have 4 British brothers - all MTS grads - in competition for the hand of a highly sought after Croatian pioneer sister. And how does one woo a pioneer sister? Tout your own creds, and by that I mean “spirituality” and position within Jehovah’s Organisation. And since this is Lloyd, who is always congratulating and bestowing upon himself high honours, he went a bit overboard with it and embellished many things about himself and his background. Throw in a few self penned ditties on guitar about the righteousness of Jehovah God and His Organisation, and you have the perfect storm.

Well, not that perfect since Lloyd Evans was a socially awkward man with a Muppet nose.

Now is when you have to wear the Lloyd Evans cap and reason through the rest. How does he pull ahead of the other three? By elimination of course. He’ll badmouth and spread malicious gossip and rumours about the others to make them seem not as spiritual. Perhaps he ratted on one for blasting Eminem in the car during field service. Juvenile shit. It’s the same thing he does to other apostates - they are harming the cause - and he is the one who is doing the most good. That’s right, when Mike talked about seeing penises in WT literature, he was bringing reproach upon ~~Jehovah~~ apostates. Yet when Lloyd writes extensively about his own penis, it’s all for educational purposes.

This is why the flight to Croatia just doesn't make sense.

She had a reason not wanting to be in the UK anymore and keep in mind she was at this time a very zealous JW woman. Her world revolved around the Kingdom Hall. She didn’t want a piece of the Wilmslow or Bramhall congregations anymore.

What did he do in the UK that everyone (Dijana, her parents, Evans Sr.) was in complete agreement that it was best for him to move to a country where he knew not a word of the language and had extremely poor job prospects in a rural locality outside Sisak?

To the point where they voluntarily became dependents of two relatively impoverished Croatians - all because Lloyd sexted a woman who was totally in her 20s?

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

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When she changes her mind and he blows up, it's an attempt to intimidate her and put her back in her place.

It worked. It’s a miracle she didn’t belong to the 99% of females worldwide who would have had his shit on the kerb once he said he’s going to Thailand after sending her an incredibly abusive letter.

Both made poor life choices, for which they are paying the consequences for at this very moment. I would argue that she’s bearing the most difficult burden of all - raising two young girls by herself in rural Croatia with practically no prospect of getting herself a local job that will improve her quality of life. At least he can drown his misery with some rum and coke (and coke) and pretend the woman who just left wasn’t just given €100 for the trouble.

Her mistake was ever believing in his grift and that it was so golden even Jabba the Hutt couldn’t fuck it up. Plus - never give Pedo Pete two children to manipulate. One quote of hers from that first letter sticks out to me and that is her admission that through 15 years “of lying” something never felt right.

Well, duh. Still in the honeymoon period and he won’t quit sexting teens.

Hmmm wonder what else he was lying about for 15 years? Doesn’t sound like it was 3 to 4 years. Perhaps that’s why he hated Bo Juel so much during the AAWA launch in 2013-2014. I can picture it now: in a lively Tucson bar he makes eye contact with an attractive young woman who then makes her way to Bo.

Insanely jealous, he then claims Bo was hitting on Dijana.

I actually reached out to Bo about that. He laughed and said Dijana was a sweet gal, but wasn’t his type. He was only being talkative and friendly.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

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uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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Truly fitting that the Croatian court keeps on using the initials “VD” in a case initiated by Lloyd Evans.

Problem is I think most people assume the law works the way English common law does. Eastern Europe is a whole different game, still rife with bureaucracy and corruption. In Jabba the Hutt’s case, it’s more like bureaucracy and disinterest. It is not that there isn’t a judge eager to throw this bullshit out, think of it as a folder in the middle of a huge pile of folders on someone’s desk who is only in the office 2 or 3 days a week. It will work its way to the top eventually and there won’t be a second thought about dismissing it and closing the case.

He’ll go out with a whimper, a tiny last gasp of enthusiasm. Much like Cara pronounced Sara experienced with the big man himself.

If he’s gay he would have already said so and tried desperately to paint his critics as homophobes. Not saying the guy’s completely straight - I mean how can you look at someone like Dijana and think: “Damn I want her up the ass so badly. Nothing else, just gotta have that ass”.

Has to be some weird & pathetic kink like him dressing up as Darth Vader and sticking a plastic lightsaber up Han Solo’s ass.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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While we’re at it, here’s a question for an elder:

If a wife discovered a sext from another woman on her husband’s phone, shouldn’t she be questioned per the guidelines in the Sheparding the Flock book and brought before the committee to bring testimony? She’s a witness to the crime, and certainly they would want to know if it was the first time he’d done this (it wasn’t), the contents of the sext, and even details of their sex life…

For all of Lloyd’s protestations about how blowback to his affairs hurt his family, it’s quite odd that when describing his humiliation and grief in his JCs (all in his article, his book, and even in his letter to Dijana), he says nothing about her humiliation in being forced to talk to the elders about this.

Two possibilities come to mind, and they could both be true at the same time:

Dijana had left him and went to Croatia. She declined to be interviewed by the UK elders and told them she was being counselled by the brothers back in Sisak regarding her husband’s infidelity.
Lloyd’s JC had little or nothing to do with the sexting he claimed it was about. He got caught doing something else and his wife wasn’t a first hand witness to it, thus she didn’t need to be questioned.

As for the timeline, I think she left and quite possibly didn’t even return. If she did, it was only to help him move. Lloyd spent some time in Croatia attempting to woo her back and that was where the “discussions” occurred. It could have been her primary condition that he return alone and clean up the mess he made. During this time away, he lost his job and was close to being evicted for unpaid rent. This would explain how he seemed to get out of his lease so easily (he had already broken it by non-payment) and also the extensive debt he occurred. Another reason why Croatia was the better option was because no one would rent to them again.